r/technews 2d ago Helpful 3

NTSB wants alcohol detection systems installed in all new cars in US | Proposed requirement would prevent or limit vehicle operation if driver is drunk.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/09/ntsb-wants-alcohol-detection-systems-installed-in-all-new-cars-in-us/
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u/thafreakinpope 2d ago

The value of used cars without these sensors will go through the roof

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u/epicpogchamp25 2d ago

People literally replace their cars engines. I'd imagine changing a wire or two in the stop start button would be pretty easy.

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u/HunterShotBear 2d ago

“Any lock made by man can be picked by man.”

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u/TacTurtle 2d ago

“Lockpicking Laywer here, today we are defeating this ignition interlock with a rubber band and a drinking straw”

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u/chiefs_fan37 2d ago

By default I read it in his voice

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u/BuzzVibes 2d ago

Good news, everybody! You're reading this comment in Professor Farnsworth's voice!

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u/lmkwe 2d ago

"There's gate 1.. and we're in"

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u/Slaterisk 2d ago

Car mechanic and gunsmith here. When it comes to anything technology related, legislators act like whatever happens inside is magic and no one could ever possibly make changes to how something operates. One of my mentors had a whole business that was essentially removing seatbelt sensors and alarms from work trucks.

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u/Kaarsty 2d ago

I watch TFL (The Fast Lane) on YouTube and I swear every other ad is for the start/stop kill switch. Must get so annoying.

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u/Hydroel 2d ago

What's wrong with the start/stop kill switch? Apart from saving gas and reducing CO2 emissions?

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u/MFbiFL 2d ago

Had a coworker that couldn’t be bothered to wear a seatbelt so he bought a “seatbelt extender” that he left buckled in. Of course everyone should wear their seatbelts but idiots will find ways to outsmart things that bother them.

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u/Delta8ttt8 2d ago

Meh, farm trucks, field trucks, trail trucks. Pipeline trucks. Trucks for the middle of now where slow rolling along some sort of line.

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u/anna_lynn_fection 2d ago

It's one of those things that would stop the occasional offender. Someone who doesn't buy a new car and say "I've got to go get this disabled.", but for people who buy their cars and think, "I would never do that.", but then they do anyway.

I don't drink. I hate drunk divers. But I don't really like the idea of this either. FFS, how much more is that going to tack onto the price of a car nobody can afford anyway. I get safety is important, but we're all going to be really safe when we're all walking because a Prius ends up costing $90k.

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u/epicpogchamp25 2d ago

I'd imagine a good amount of people would disable it for reliability purposes.

Having a meter like this is just one more thing that could go wrong when starting your car.

Imagine using mouthwash in the morning before you go to work and your car telling you you can't drive because it detects alcohol still in your mouth.

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u/d1smalnow 2d ago

Eating a sugar free candy will do it.

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u/greatfool66 2d ago

They can make it practically infeasible to disable though, just require some kind of encrypted handshake with the main ECU. Very few people, even hackers want to risk hacking their car unless its old and out of warranty.

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u/Pittsitpete 2d ago

Have you replaced a car engine recently, things aren’t exactly sitting collecting dust on the shelves recently.

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u/KillBroccoli 2d ago

Its already going up. Here in the EU black boxes will be mandatory in a couple of years so goodbye having any kind of fun. Not to mention the new electronics and various crap carmakers are making like heated seat subscription.

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u/Snowwpea3 2d ago

Drunk driving is despicable. You should be punished if you do it. But this is absurd. Coming from a family of alcoholics, both parents had those blowy thing in their cars at one point. They’re a pain in the ass and cost a lot, monthly as well if I remember correctly, they were like a subscription, because someone somewhere is monitoring them. You have to blow into the thing every 10 minutes, I’ve had them go off from energy drinks, food, gum, everything. Did I mention every 10 minutes!?! Yes while your driving you have to fuck with this thing and blow into it a very specific way, it’s distracting and dangerous. Yeah this shit will never happen.

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u/BanMeHarderDaddyxx 2d ago

This doesn’t even take emergency situations into account. So you’ve had a few drinks, now what happens if you have a medical emergency? Or a wildfire breaks out and begins to surround your home? What if your breathalyzer malfunctions mid drive and stalls your car and you end up teetering on a cliff?

“Welp guess I’ll just sit here and die, it’s better than driving at .09 I guess”

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u/theweeklyshit 1d ago

Exactly!

Young me used to ask my mom “why can the car go over 100mph when the speed limit is 60?” And she said “because you just never know when you’re gonna NEED to go 100mph for some strange reason.” Lol imagine being chased by a gunman in another car and your vehicle is limited to 60mph

Putting limits on vehicles without the foresight to consider emergency/unplanned situations is a recipe for disaster

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u/Born_Tutor_879 2d ago

People will talk about the upside but they will ignore how malfunctions will cause a lot of problems for drivers

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u/AmNotSatan 2d ago edited 2d ago

You have blown a .09. You are under arrest for attempted DUI. You will be locked into your vehicle until police can be dispatched to properly incarcerate you. Please do not resist or attempt to vacate your vehicle, as that will be considered resisting arrest and will cause additional fines and penalties to be applied.

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u/Thirsteh 2d ago

Your children are now in the custody of Carl's Jr.

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u/Photon_Pharmer 2d ago

Drink Brawndo, it’s got electrolytes!

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u/Weak_Tower385 2d ago

Go away. I’m bait’n.

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u/mw9676 1d ago

Dude I would love a Starbucks right now too but it's not the time.

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u/tiptoeintotown 1d ago

Welcome to Costco. I love you.

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u/babicottontail 2d ago

You will be IN n Out of jail real soon.

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u/afume 2d ago

Interesting scenario, but the same people that want all cars to have this also want to lower the legal limit to .04.

Also, I'd like to add a scenario where your self driving car drives you to jail. Oh, the irony.

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u/ChattyKathysCunt 2d ago

I want to have a reliable self driving car I can sleep in the back seat of. You can pass out drunk on a horse and it will still take you home safely we need to figure it out for cars.

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u/2beatenup 2d ago

Horse? Even donkeys do that ask any farmer in poor country. The darn ass will even wait at railway crossing for the train to pass

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u/BibbleSnap 2d ago edited 1d ago

Yet riding a horse while drinking is still classed as a DUI in many states

Edit: clarified that it is not in all states

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u/Scadilla 2d ago

This was hilarious to me.

“Camry, take me home.”

“Destination set for local county jail .”

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u/RandalfTheBlack 2d ago

Self driving car? Sit in the back seat then. Now you arent the driver and its not a DUI.

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u/afume 2d ago

"The police made my car recklessly endangered me."

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u/FeelingFloor2083 2d ago

.04

our legal limit is 0.05

0.09 is classed as mid range, 2.2k fine up to 3.3k fine and up to 12 months imprisonment

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u/Born_Tutor_879 2d ago

The crazy thing is some would love to see that

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u/ChattyKathysCunt 2d ago

I like the idea of less drunk drivers on the road. But this is the foot in the door to zero tolerance where you cant even drive after a single beer. This also opens the door to adding more tests, you might as well add a blood test to start the car.

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u/Unusual-Account-2649 2d ago Silver

I thought you said incinerated lol

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u/Jo_Floss 2d ago

"incineration protocol active in 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.... 1...."

"Goodbye Dave, thank you for choosing OnStar"

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u/InTh3s3TryingTim3s 2d ago

The ones in use now are way too sensitive and think someone is drunk if they recently drank Kombucha. You would need to tone down the sensitivity in order for this to reach mass market. And toning down the sensitivity would make it useless as people would just find ways around it.

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u/afume 2d ago

Apparently, the police need to have their mobile breathalyzers and the more accurate station breathalyzer calibrated and adjusted on a regular basis to be valid in court. I'm not sure but this may be on a monthly basis. Unless the technology is different, this means you'd have to take your car in even more often for service.

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u/worldspawn00 2d ago

The ones they install in DDs cars also need regular calibration, they're useless without regular maintenance. My Nissan EV requires almost no service at all, the first service interval is at 15,000 miles for a tire rotation. Fuck that if I need to take the car in for service just to calibrate a machine that literally doesn't have a purpose in my car as I pretty much don't drink.

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u/meatballbottom 2d ago

“Pretty much…”

Book em boys!

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u/Key_Top_5669 2d ago

Then car companies are going to make it so only their dealership repair shops can do the calibration, except it's gonna cost you $1000 per calibration and by the way the shop schedule is completely booked for the next 6 months so fuck you

That's effectively what will happen if they implement this

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u/newgrow2019 2d ago

It’ll be part of the 5000$ a month subscription package that includes access to your heat seats, power windows, speakers, rear camera, parking assist, cruise control and brakes. Oh, and it’s all a bundle and there’s only one option.

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u/randomwords83 2d ago

Not to mention it’s putting costs on the rest of us innocent people. I get it, I’ve actually lost loved ones to drunk drivers and people want something done but this is not the answer.

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u/Rich6849 2d ago

True, it will make pre-breathalyzer cars more valuable

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u/HabErnoz 2d ago

Will also make the consumer hacking scene surrounding car mods more prevalent

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u/xXDogShitXx 2d ago

Yup. Just about everyone in Alaska has or had a blow and go installed in their vehicle and I will not function at -20F

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u/Born_Tutor_879 2d ago

What they're talking about is something that can track your eyes to tell if you're drunk or not I can just see so many problems

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u/rigobueno 2d ago

Problem 1 of 52: sunglasses

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u/ArtIsDumb 2d ago Silver Wholesome

Problem 52 of 52: tearing out a sober person's eyes & taping them over your drunk eyes to fool the sensors.

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u/KanoodleSoup 2d ago

This guy finds solutions

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u/illgot 2d ago

"Bitch, stop crying and I'll start the engine!" -cars in 2035

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u/TomYOLOSWAGBombadil 2d ago

My ex was literally kidnapped and raped because she had one of these installed on her car and couldn’t leave when the dude came up to the vehicle.

Not making this up. I wish I was! It wasn’t even malfunctioning. Folks don’t consider that sometimes you need to GTFO ASAP. These prevent that.

I’m extremely against this idea to say the least.

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u/jakrkljalu 2d ago

I’m sorry about your ex.

My mind jumped to another awful scenario. Two people go out to enjoy a vacation together at a remote location with bad cell coverage. They start drinking. One of them has a heart attack or something similarly terrible. They can’t call for help and aren’t able to drive for help, despite the urgency of the situation, and the person dies.

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u/betterthanyours1 2d ago

Ya good luck with that.

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u/AlligatorDerby 2d ago

It's already in the infrastructure bill, which passed. 2026.

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u/AkariSarzul 2d ago

In 2026 they are expecting all new cars coming to the US to have this feature?

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u/virtualdxs 2d ago

That's what it looks like from the article - 2024 for the rule to be implemented, then 2 years for it to become effective.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5586 2d ago

That's not accurate. The Bipartisan Infrastructure law requires the NHTSA to make the rule by 2024, but that won't happen if it conflicts with existing law. Which, as it stands, does.

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u/Tom_Neverwinter 2d ago

So what law.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5586 2d ago

Chapter 30111 of section 49 US big book of laws, not to mention that there 4th Amendment

Edit: title 49

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u/lost_slime 2d ago

Can you clarify what part of 49 U.S.C. 30111 would conflict with a separate legislative mandate to conduct specified rulemaking?

After reading the statute, I don’t see it.

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u/boardgamenerd84 2d ago

It needs to be reasonable. Adding thousands of dollars of equipment and maintenance doesn't seem reasonable to stop something that that affects .0000438 of registered drivers.

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u/MaverickAquaponics 2d ago

They ruled dui checkpoints aren’t a violation of our 4th amendment rights how is this different?

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u/MTB_Mike_ 2d ago

DUI checkpoints have very specific requirements to be allowed. Many of these would go against the goals of alcohol detection devices being mandatory. Specifically its not based on any data about location and incidents of alcohol related accidents.

  1. The decision to establish a sobriety checkpoint, the selection of the site and the procedure for the operation must be made by supervisory law enforcement personnel, and not by officers in the field.

  2. There must be a neutral, mathematical selection criteria in place in determining which vehicles are stopped.

  3. The checkpoints must be conducted in a manner that ensures the general safety of motorists and officers. Proper lighting, warning signs and signals, and clearly identifiable official vehicles are required to minimize the danger to motorists and police personnel.

  4. The checkpoint must be conducted in a reasonable location; i.e. roads that have high incidence of alcohol related accidents and/or arrests.

  5. Police should exercise "good judgment" when determining the time a checkpoint is held and the duration of the operation.

  6. The roadblock must be established with high visibility, including warning signs, flashing lights, police vehicles and the presence of uniformed officers. This is important for safety reasons and to give motorists assurances that the operation is duly authorized.

  7. The motorists detained should be detained only long enough to allow an officer to question the driver and briefly look for signs of intoxication.

  8. The checkpoint operation must be publicized in advance.

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u/ImanAzol 2d ago

The "Neutral mathematics" for the one I ran into were "Every fucking car on this four lane one way will pull into a parking lot because we have barricades up."

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u/KnightFiST2018 2d ago

Where I live checkpoints are announced and you can also refuse to be checked.

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u/TheRidgeAndTheLadder 2d ago

you can also refuse to be checked.

Wait what

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u/Medicatedwarrior365 2d ago

As someone who had a friend who had one of these systems in their car, not only does it not work half the time, there are a WIDE range of completely legal and non-alcoholic things you can consume that would set off the sensors when you blow into it.

Also think of waking up every morning getting ready for work, then you head out to your car and have to blow so hard, you end up light headed by the time you finally get your car started (or oh no! The mouthwash you used this morning set it off so now you need to wait an hour before trying again), now your at work and want to go out for lunch. That's two more times you have to deal with the breathalyzer, wanna go run errands? That's even more time dealing with the breathalyzer, that at any point, it can give a positive reading and shut you down for whatever period of time they decide on so now your sitting in a parking lot waiting for your timer to expire so you can try again. Boy does that sound like a barrel of fun! Lol

BTW I am for this type of stuff for the DUI offenders who really need it (although its pretty shitty you are on the hook for the install and removal and all the other costs on top of whatever you get fined plus have to pay for required classes when a lot of these people are also suffering financially so that puts even more pressure on them and makes it real easy to just end up in jail because you couldn't cover a cost) but every car being sold just sounds like a terrible idea to me unless they can work out A LOT of bugs that my friend had to deal with.

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u/C_IsForCookie 2d ago

And about a week before someone figures out how to circumvent it and it becomes useless.

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u/forkliftcrabs 2d ago

Any mechanic is going to be able to disable it immediately lol

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u/TheShadowOfKaos 2d ago

Really? Because I'm surprised the "your car won't start without the seat belt" bill didn't pass a few years back because it infringed on rights, but this did? Don't get me wrong it's greatly needed but I remember when the other bill was shot down and this is way more "infringy"

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u/Cybermagetx 2d ago edited 2d ago

It passed. But im sure its gonna be years of legal and civil rights groups filing suites against it

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u/varano14 2d ago

Just because it passed doesn't mean the courts are going to let it stand.

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u/djinbu 2d ago

Fucking entire states and "STOP class" companies are going to sue. DUI is a major revenue generator.

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u/tartan_monkey 2d ago

So why should non drinkers have to deal with this huge inconvenience

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u/Flaky-Fish6922 2d ago

exactly. worse, if it's sampling cabin air, that means that i can no longer provide people sober rides.

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u/flight_recorder 2d ago

For real. I don’t even drink but if I have to blow into a device every time I drive that device is getting bypassed really fucking quick

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u/topcheesehead 2d ago

Yep. My mini toy leaf blower invention is finally selling! I'll be rich! Muhahaha

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u/Alx7737 2d ago

As if cars needed more expensive bullshit that will break and cause it to fail an inspection.

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u/ReturnOf_DatBooty 2d ago

And what happens when it breaks.and now I’m stuck on some random ass country road in middle of no where.

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u/Bunkerdunker7 2d ago

You get to pay for towing and repair of course.

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u/milehighrukus 2d ago

But only from the certified tow company and repair shop otherwise you void your warranty.

Don’t worry it’s a lot more expensive and needlessly complicated too!

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u/Captain_Hampockets 2d ago

Don’t worry it’s a lot more expensive and needlessly complicated too!

All cars have been, for decades, and they just get worse. My first car, I got in about 1990. It was a 67 Mustang. It was a hunk of shit, but simple to repair. Straight-six engine, topped out at like 95 MPH, and opening the hood revealed more road visible than engine visible.

I have a 2000 Toyota Echo - simple by modern standards, but magnitudes more complex.

My sweetie has a 2016 (I think) Nissan Versa Note. It's a basic model, but stunningly complex, with insane features.

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u/Choof-Monster-2017 2d ago

People used to pay mechanics to add features to their cars, but now there might be a demand for mechanics who can remove failure-prone features people were forced to buy. How times have changed.

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u/Professional_Egg1556 2d ago

Doesn't even have to break. I've seen false positives happen simply from not blowing the right way.

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u/AtariHeavy26 2d ago

Some people on keto diets will blow positives too with ketoacidosis.

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u/Devil_May_Kare 2d ago

People who've used rescue inhalers for asthma recently will sometimes get false positives from lingering HFA 134a propellant in their lungs.

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u/tendaga 2d ago

Or diabetics... sounds like a massive ADA violation.

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u/AtariHeavy26 2d ago

I believe some cough medicines also have alcohol in them. I’d be in trouble trying to go to work with a cold and taking a cough syrup in the morning.

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u/Player8 2d ago

Or just anything with sugar alcohols in it. Aka a lot of low cal stuff that still tastes sweet.

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u/Turtle887853 2d ago

I got breathalyzed once and it showed .09

I've never had a drink in my life.

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u/tremens 2d ago

Any amount of sugar will show as alcohol on a breathalyzer. That's why you're supposed to wait (up to) 20 minutes after eating, drinking, smoking, or vaping and rinse your mouth with plain water prior to using one.

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u/WilliamsTell 2d ago

So no more road trip snacking. God forbid you're diabetic.

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u/tremens 2d ago

Diabetes can in fact cause false positives in and of itself. In fact, it's been used to detect diabetic ketoacidosis all on it's own.

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u/WilliamsTell 2d ago

Kinda had a notion without proof on that. Given a characteristic of ketoacidosis in diabetics is fruity (sweet) smelling breath. I predict a lawsuit the first time a diabetic gets stranded trying to do something. Particularly if their trying to get to the hospital for something.

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u/SnooSprouts4952 2d ago

Those wine enemas... am I right? /s

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u/FourEcho 2d ago

A buddy I stayed in a room at an anime con with was a cop, he had a breathalyzer with him for shits and giggles, I was blistering drunk and couldn't blow over the limit. Those things are super finicky.

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u/the_venkman 2d ago

Hope ya got a perty mouth

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u/x1glo1x 2d ago

False positives are a thing. I’ve read about those things going off from mouth wash or any foods that contain alcohol in it, which is more than most would think! Calibration would also be an issue because who is gonna front the bill for that? Probably won’t be the government. Just my 2-cents

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u/HarveyPolanski 2d ago edited 2d ago

That’s what I was thinking. Breathalyzers need constant calibration. The more they’re used the sooner they need to be calibrated.

Also, will this offer an affirmative defense to drunk driving? “Of course I wasn’t driving drunk your honor. The car started didn’t it?”

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u/akegs7564 2d ago

The language they use in the article is “passive monitoring system” which I assume means cameras that watch the eyes for nystagmus as well as AI that detects swerving / delayed reaction speeds. Whether this is better or worse than an actual breathalyzer idk

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u/pinkfloyd873 2d ago

Worse. Many conditions and diseases can cause nystagmus, and I fundamentally don’t believe they can develop a system that works perfectly enough not to errantly accuse innocent people of trying to drive drunk.

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u/newsgirl1972 2d ago

When I was on the windy road with really tight corners my car was telling me to go on the side of the road because I was “sleepy driver”.

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u/wjglenn 2d ago

My wife’s car (Subaru Outback) always dings me for not looking at the road when I go around curves. Because I’m looking through the curve at the road instead of straight ahead

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u/Flaky-Fish6922 2d ago

my moms honda pilot tried to kill me. the crash avoidance system stopped the car because it saw construction cones (the offending cone was somewhat out of line with the others.) and slammed the brakes i was being tailgated by a big ass pickup. (i think it was one of the new gmcs this time,)

fun times there. especially since the redneck was armed and thought i brake checked him.

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u/addam44 2d ago

I got a dui about 8yrs ago and mine wouldn’t let me start my car since I had used hairspray and that scent was on my breath. They’re very finicky

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u/AmazingSieve 2d ago

Stop drinking hairspray?….jk

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u/ShawnyMcKnight 2d ago

Well, the ones fronting the bill from the government would be us. At least those of us who pay taxes.

Totally agree false positives are a thing. My brother had one and he would often have to call mom and have her come and get him and she tried blowing into it herself and it wouldn't turn on.

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u/CdnDude 2d ago

Dude I worked with who had a dui explained that teriyaki would give a false positive on a breathalyzer

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u/IntoTheWildLife 2d ago

I also knew someone who was intoxicated as all hell and it didn’t show up.

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u/nighthawke75 2d ago

And diabetics. Some conditions will cause a breath containing alcohols.

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u/Ok_Whereas_Pitiful 2d ago

Yeah if we go slightly to the left if just drank the alcohol whether it be a shot, beer, mixed, wine etc it could very well cause the breathalyzer to go off.

A slight tangent my fiance had a friend who got out of a speeding ticket because the speed tracker wasn't calibrated properly.

Speaking of calibration who is gonna do and pay for it?

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u/FuckFashMods 2d ago

The existing systems are very expensive. One of the hidden costs of getting a dui. They also take a picture at time you blow and upload that to a server somewhere and have employees check; so you can't bypass it.

I cannot cannot imagine ever purposefully buying one.

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u/SDdude81 2d ago

There are two ideas floating around.

https://www.dadss.org/program-overview

A breath system, which measures alcohol as a driver breathes normally, when in the driver’s seat. It will be designed to take instantaneous readings as the driver breathes normally and to accurately and reliably distinguish between the driver’s breath and that of any passengers.

A touch-based system, which measures blood alcohol levels under the skin’s surface by shining an infrared-light through the fingertip of the driver. It will be integrated into current vehicle controls, such as the start button or steering wheel, and take multiple, accurate readings.

False positives seem very likely.

I doubt it can tell that your passenger is drunk but you aren't. Hand sanitizer would probably set off the touch-based system.

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u/Zinek-Karyn 2d ago

Ah yes the good old. “Riot breaks out in area” driver enters car to flee “driver is drunk totally drunk yes car shutting down” this won’t be abused by authorities to conduct riot control in any way ever nope.

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u/Miguel-odon 2d ago

Mugger splashes a beer on you as you open your car door. Now you can't drive away.

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u/StarWatchTakeOver 2d ago

Yeah, punish me for something I don’t do

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u/BVenablesBFF 2d ago

And this is why it won’t end up happening.

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u/pilesofcleanlaundry 2d ago

“It’s unfair to the 99% who didn’t do anything wrong” is not going to matter to people who can make rules without any accountability for themselves.

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u/1WngdAngel 2d ago

This is the appropriate reaction. It's the equivalent of a workplace meeting to tell everyone about a stupid new rule all because Fred won't stop taking three hour long breaks in the bathroom and no one in management will do anything about it, so now it's everyone's problem instead of that one person.

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u/trashy_trash 2d ago

I live in a state with a tavern league that spends HUGE money to lobby for lax alcohol related laws. It’s bad here. Pretty much gotta make sure you are never on the roads at 2am when the bars close, because there are SO many drunk drivers.

I don’t want a breathalyzer in my car. What I want is the state to start actually punishing repeat offenders, taking away licenses, having some actual serious consequences.

It’s not the states job to take on alcoholism, but they sure could be tougher on repeat offenders.

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u/duffmanhb 2d ago

I've been in a state that got REALLY aggressive on it (NV), and it had a bit of a criminal blowback. Because they pushed so hard for so many different programs and such they were forced to go through, it became overbearing and led to massive failure rates.

Honestly I think the best solution is first offense, 5 years with a breath starter. Not one you have to take every 10 minutes on the highway, just a simple starter. I think that's more than enough to create a stigma around it. Since it's not really too burdensome, but a bit embarrassing, I think it would have a decent impact as it's a constant reminder.

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u/Han_Yerry 2d ago

Don't use any mouthwash before you run out the door either.

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u/mvw3 2d ago

Who pays? That's right, you do.

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u/ndolphin 2d ago

Good intentions, terrible idea.

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u/1015267 2d ago

I’m glad people are finally catching on to this. I remember getting heavily downvoted whenever I pointed out that this was a part of the infrastructure bill

Also how tf doesn’t this violate the 4th amendment

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u/dajadf 2d ago

No thanks. "As well as technologies to prevent speeding". Again, no thanks.

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u/Mgmnationalharbor 2d ago

For real, unelected bureaucrats can eat my entire asshole

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u/Thorbinator 2d ago

Elected ones too. Fuck entirely off.

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u/Slimmzli 2d ago

Shit would ask you to blow 2 minutes after you just blew 15 minutes prior while charging you $100 a month for monitoring

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u/Terrible_Truth 2d ago

That will never work unless they make each highway lane have different speed limits.

What else do they think will happen. We'll have a 5 lane traffic wall of 5 cars going exactly 70 mph...

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u/James_n_mcgraw 2d ago

Or in some states such as mn where i live it is explicitely legal to break the speed limit when passing.

The car isnt gonna know that.

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 2d ago

Also people are complete dickwads. I’m a defensive driver 99% of the time but I’ll regularly see people matching speeds when people are passing just to be a douche. It will create a lot of new dangerous situations that you could get yourself out of when people are purposely trying to cause problems.

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u/hitemlow 2d ago

Just like the elephant races of two governed semis trying to pass on a 2-lane highway.

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u/mawfqjones 2d ago

Lol this is the dumbest shit. That shit malfunctions all the fucking time.

Get the fuck outta here. How about you go into a bar and you get patted down for your keys and get breathalyzer before you leave.

Thats less dumb than this.

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u/NCR_Rang3r 2d ago

While good in theory, this will never work. The systems we have now to prevent convicted drunks from driving costs around 1500 dollars to install on any car and are easily bypass-able. Plus, people who don't drink and drive would find this as an infringement of privacy and even if you have one beer and the system malfunctions from a work function, you can no longer get home which means lawsuits. Car manufacturers will see it more as a risk than a reward and in return fight against it before the people do. Thanks for listening to my Ted talk.

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u/KellyAnn3106 2d ago

I'm tired of having more and more things added as requirements that I don't need. It's excess cost on an already expensive item. I drive a very low tech car at the moment but will most likely need to replace it in the next 2-4 years.

I don't need a back up camera. (Was taught how to back up without one when I started driving 25 years ago) I don't need backseat sensors to tell me there is a kid in the back. (Don't have kids) I don't need a breathalyzer. (Don't drink) The list goes on.

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u/MandolinMagi 2d ago

I really like the backup camera.

I'm a bit agnostic on the lane-departure alert, but really like the speed-matching cruise control that slows you down if the guy in front brakes.

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u/team-tree-syndicate 2d ago

Backup cameras are legit nice though, but breathalyzer is quite dumb

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u/Upstairs-Fan-2168 2d ago

I think police unions will fight it as well. When all the cars on the road have it, there is little need for DUI enforcement. That means a smaller budget and fewer police.

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u/LastNightOsiris 2d ago

they'll fight it, but not for that reason. cops love to drive drunk, and this would make it harder for them.

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u/prules 2d ago

I have a friend who knows cops that actively drank on duty. It’s so fucking creepy that this is a thing… just saw a video of a dude calling out a sheriff who was hammered. Like Jesus Christ, how is there no shame.

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u/1202_ProgramAlarm 2d ago

Shame and cops? Never

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u/gestaltaz 2d ago

They would need to improve the technology for detecting alcohol. As it stands now interlock devices need constant recalibration and in my experience my father who has COPD was unable to breathe hard enough to complete the test causing the machine to disable the vehicle.

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u/GoopInThisBowlIsVile 2d ago

I’m good as long as I can still get all fucked up on Ambien and drive around.

(Here’s my obligatory /s)

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u/whatwhat751 2d ago

And immediately a defeat device is available for sale.

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u/PersistentHero 2d ago

Did you use mouthwash? Guess your not driving to work...

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u/imadethisjsttoreply 2d ago

I watched a documentary that showed these systems are extremely inefficient and will say someones drunk or had drinks when they have not. Government should really do their research before proceeding with this.

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u/pinkfootthegoose 2d ago

The number of false positives on these things is going to astronomical.

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u/meaningoflifeis69 2d ago

So I have to pay for this sensor, even though I don't drink?.

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u/OrcOfDoom 2d ago

As someone who has driven with the tire pressure sensor lights on for several years, this better be cheap, or actually free to fix.

I'm so sick of things that do very little for me, but malfunction, or in this case, run out of batteries and cost several hundred dollars to replace.

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u/notevilfellow 2d ago

FFS just give us public transit to take us home then

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u/RobertD3277 2d ago

It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and say yes simply because of idiots in various states that have had 36 DUIs, and end up crashing through somebody's front yard and into their home killing a child. These kind of situations are failures within the course because of favoritism for political kickbacks.

The sad part of it is though that the favoritism for political kickbacks aren't going to be willing to pay the price for this type of high-handed Idiocracy.

It's also statistically been proven that these devices have a very high rate of being wrong. Which means that if somebody can't get to their job because of the device is wrong there's going to be an automatic assumption that they were guilty of drinking versus simply looking at the device as a mechanical failure. The stigma of this type of a device is going to be guilt without the presumption of innocence or even the ability for one to prove one's innocence.

While technology does have a place and can be a benefit to society, all too often blind reliance on technology becomes a dangerous consequence to a bureaucracy hell-bent on political agendas irrespective of who suffers for them.

This particular article mentions a 67% success rate with a 33% failure rate. But I have read other articles put out by various State departments and police agencies that attribute automated breathalyzers to only a 42% success rate. Subsequently, I would say environment (heat and cold extremes) along with an individual's own natural health and medical conditions play a significant role in the success of the device.

https://carbreathalyzerhelp.com/happens-fail-car-breathalyzer-test/

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u/Robinhoodie5 2d ago

Having tried a few breathalyzers for my own interest when I first started drinking, this is bound to fail and I am fully against it. Breathalyzers are well known to be virtually worthless at accurately measuring BAC even when regularly calibrated. They are affected by temperature/time since last drink/various foods, artificial sweeteners, etc. Unless they were used to disable the cars usage with ANY alcohol present, it will not work.

This will almost certainly end up being some form of driver facing camera trying to judge if the person is generally impaired (tired, drunk, high, etc.) and I'm not interested in a camera analyzing me at all times while I'm driving.

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u/thrwawayaftrreading 2d ago

It'll also prevent you from speeding. In other words, getting away if someone is chasing you.

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u/Key_Top_5669 2d ago

Forget speeding, think about that tiny hill that you drive past regularly which takes you a couple mph over the speed limit for a short period. Have fun with points on your license, fines, and your car insurance rate going up

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u/the_energizer_turtle 2d ago

I don't see it happening. How does that work with remote start? Also, it is legal for a cop to arrest you for anything over 0.0. So what they're saying is it's okay to be intoxicated up to 0.07 and still drive?

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u/Mighty_Mac 2d ago

Put ice in your mouth, breath detectors can't detect ethanol at low temps.

This is just a fun fact, please don't drink and drive.

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u/justyouraveragedude1 2d ago

I’m no drunk driver but fuck having to take a breathalyzer test every time I get in the fucking car

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u/ccasey 2d ago

The US is increasingly a society that defaults to assuming you’re actively committing a crime. Wasn’t there a book about how people likely commit a dozen felonies a week? We’ve criminalized so many aspects of a free society that I fear we’re past the point of a slippery slope and picking up speed on the descent

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u/o0flatCircle0o 2d ago edited 2d ago

Imagine having a drink at a bar and a rapist is chasing you and you can’t get away because your car won’t turn on. Or imagine you ate some food and the system gets a false positive and then you get raped. Or imagine your drunk rapist blows in it so you can’t escape, or there’s an emergency and you have to blow into the stupid thing before you can flee.

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u/Piddy3825 2d ago

lol, I've seen lots of arguement for and against this idea and all I gotta say is there will always be someone who hasn't been drinking willing to blow into a tube for a couple of bucks so some drunk can get his car started.

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u/SquatchLiquor31 2d ago

We'll have passed the days of DDs, then we'll have DBs (designated blowers). Actually we might have those already too...

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u/saulsa_ 2d ago

They’re called fluffers.

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u/Powertripp777 2d ago

Let's start a door dash app now while we're at it!

"Drunk and you can't blow to start your car?

Designated blowers that will come to you!"

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u/dirtsmurf 2d ago

The number of people in this sub excited to give up even more privacy worries me. Wanna know how you stop drunk drivers? Big fucking fines, jail time, and old fashioned police work.

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u/Dakfour 2d ago

What an awful idea

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u/asmeeks60 2d ago

Aw yes the old guilty until proven innocent

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u/KuyaEduard 2d ago

Not realistic from a systems standpoint. There will be too many false positives for people to accept it. Dead on arrival.

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u/ms365consultant 2d ago

Only in America would they propose and enforce forms of mass surveillance instead of just giving grants to local communities for public transit.

Before all the heroes of the rural America explain to me how public transit is impossible for them, please spare me. I lived in rural places with public transportation around the world and it isn't as expensive or outlandish as you think. Most places it looks like a church bus that picks up old and disabled people during the day and ferries drunks around at night.

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u/mattnotis 2d ago

Guilty until proven innocent

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u/steampunkMechElves 2d ago

No. Fuck that.

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u/Smart_Water 2d ago

literally 1984

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u/Thethrdman3 2d ago

Just one more way to attack poor people. Can't afford a new car w an alcohol detection system? Too bad fuck you

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u/ReevesChungus 2d ago

We are truly living in Orwell’s 1994…

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u/rpmiii76 2d ago

Sir, what are all those balloons in your car for?

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u/Wackemd 2d ago

Only if politicians have to have this before doing their jobs

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u/whycaretocomment 2d ago

Only reason for that beer to be in this drivers left hand is if he is shifting gears in manual. In which case: leave this man alone, he knows what hes doing.

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u/Garg4743 2d ago

Model year 2026 new car sales will be interesting to watch. I expect used car prices to skyrocket. Even people who don't drink aren't going to want to pay the increased cost for a feature they don't need, and won't solve the problem for years. It's not as if the used car fleet is suddenly going to vanish.

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u/sonicboot 2d ago

Obviously drunk driving is bad but people are very distanced from the automotive repair scene and don't realize how this is another chip they need to include in the car which we are already short on, it will surely introduce new ways for the car to break which with planned obsolescence will surely be taken advantage of, and no one wants to pay for this new tech in their vehicles when most people don't drive drunk. For those reasons I think it's a dumb idea, and anyone who drives drunk obviously won't own one of these vehicles. I have a feeling this will turn into one of those California only automotive requirements.

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u/SandBear_ 2d ago

breathalyzers barely even work

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u/imtylerdurden76 2d ago edited 2d ago

How did this work with car services or designated driver where everyone is obliterated in the back seat and reeking of alcohol.

EDIT: “how is this going to work”…

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u/Temperst_550 2d ago

What if you’re naturally cross-eyed, will no car start?

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u/darrylgenis65 2d ago

There is NO reason to require law abiding citizens to pay thousands of dollars extra for cars to subsidize a few dipsomaniac scofflaws not to mention that alcohol is only one of thousands of psychoactive substances that impairs driving. This is just another example of the failure of the nanny state. I think I’m qualified in rendering an opinion on this subject as one of the nations preeminent DUI DUID lawyers with 42 years experience, including over 500 jury trials with a 93% success rate.

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u/stellarblackhole1 2d ago

Great another feature that can break only this time if it malfunctions it'll brick your car. Not to mention if this ties into a database I really don't like giving more reasons for the government to spy on it citizens.

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u/sinsational69 2d ago

While we're at it how about a governing module that prevents cars from going over 70mph/110kmh.

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u/tonytony87 2d ago

No fucking way. One more system to fail and leave you stranded, and one more cost to be passed on to us? More needless weight added? One more item to be regulated that can slow down or hault production? Fuck to the no

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u/jakmassaker 2d ago

I think drunk driving is one of the most irresponsible and frankly horrible things that happens on the road. I think it's worse than reckless speeding, running from the cops, running red lights, ect. But I won't even buy a car with an electric parking brake. I'm definitely not buying a car that needs to check my BAC to drive it.